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Post by clark3000mkp on 29th May 2014, 11:51 pm

So let's talk about cards that can come back, and what needs to get hit. 
Cards that need to/can come back: 
Stratos, helps ALL hero archtypes, and isn't powerful enough to be banned.
Sangan, is slow honestly, and the most plausible way to play is with tour guide, in which case you're better off just going for a rank 3
Dark Magician of Chaos, might be good in spellbooks, which could use just a little boost anyways. Is kind of slow to normal summon, no OP spell cards in the game right now that can be abused with him. 

Any other thoughts?
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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by Dead PhoenixFX on 29th May 2014, 11:54 pm

I think none of those should come back and maybe instead cards like Pot of Greed should come back.

heavy storm should not come back because pendulums.

shock master should be made limited I think.

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by RedactedEntry on 30th May 2014, 9:55 am

Pot of Greed is a definite no-no. There is no situation in which that card is not useful, and literally every deck would run it.

Solemn Judgment should come back. Early game, 4000 LP is a pretty big price. Late game, you may have only paid 700 LP for it, but you're also 700 LP away from losing the game. I think it's a fair card.

Mirror Force limited

Bottomless Trap Hole forbidden

Heavy Storm limited

Dark Hole forbidden

Compulsory Evacuation device forbidden

Marshmallon forbidden (so that no one makes a burn deck ever again)

Constellar Pleiades limited (because of Artifacts)

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by The Kingboo on 30th May 2014, 10:29 am

Dead you should get smacked in the balls for saying Pot of greed should come back.

Washington you should get mollywhopped for saying all of those cards above except Pleiades

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by Megurine Luka on 30th May 2014, 10:45 am

I think the banned cards should remain unchanged

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by The Kingboo on 30th May 2014, 11:05 am

#FreeStratos

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by clark3000mkp on 30th May 2014, 1:42 pm

I think GB Bestiari should go to two. GBs haven't done anything but like topped a regional or two in forever.
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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by Dead PhoenixFX on 30th May 2014, 2:44 pm

Bottomless should not be banned because it's a perfect counter for pendulum summons

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by Akita Neru on 31st May 2014, 7:34 am

Solemn warning is a better counter, and it stops soul charge, which could allow it to stay in the game. Maybe semi-limit it, if not limit soul charge.
Also I think shock master should never come back. It was waaaaaay too good.
Tenki should be made to 2, as should RotA.
I personally prefer giant trunade to heavy storm so I think Trunade should be limited. As should stratos.
Bestiari should go to 2.

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by RedactedEntry on 31st May 2014, 8:12 am

I'd love Reinforcement of the Army at 2, but I can't see it breaking limited.

Tenki needs to be at 2, at most. I'd prefer it limited.

Giant Trunade will stay banned, because it doesn't have any real detriment to the user. Yeah, your backrow goes back to the hand too, but you can just set it all again, and your traps are ready for your opponent's coming turn. Heavy Storm would come back before Giant Trunade.

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by BarcodePez on 31st May 2014, 1:00 pm

i think its obvious what needs to get hit or at least this is what i feel should get hit i think fire hand and ice hand should et hit but proberly wont but i feel they should and from what i have seen it doesnt matter what deck you run if you have the hands you gain an edge of any game..
soul charge needs to be banned but i doubt it will get banned
but they proberly wont hit much this ban list seeing as every 3 months we get them but some cards id like to come back are card destruction and and reborn.. i know you may say why would they bring back reborn but if they hit soul charge why not plus monster reborn is nothing compared to soul charge

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by The Kingboo on 31st May 2014, 2:16 pm

Pez you deserve to get smacked in the balls too.

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by Psychedelic Metanoia on 31st May 2014, 3:31 pm

i Think Konami needs to ban cards that every can use like:

Upstart goblin: Semi-limited
Fiendish Chain: Limited
Cardcar D: Limited
Reckless Greed: Limited
This cards have gain their big popularity to make the "consistency" of this format.

And personally i think:
Geargiaccelerator: Limited (Or something that hit geargias)
Mind Master: Limited (Psychics are awesome but they are losing the popularity)
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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by clark3000mkp on 31st May 2014, 3:44 pm

I think if rota went to two, it would help noble knights, then E call to 1 or 2 and then stratos to 1
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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by Dead PhoenixFX on 31st May 2014, 8:07 pm

Patch, Solemn warning cannot negate a pendulum summon unless the pendulum summon is 1 monster where as bottomless can destroy multiple of them, send them to the banished zone and makes it near impossible to get them back especially if it's odd-eyes

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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by The Kingboo on 31st May 2014, 8:19 pm

Alright you all deserve to get smacked in the balls.

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Post by clark3000mkp on 31st May 2014, 8:20 pm

Even me??
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Re: Serious banlist discussion

Post by Akita Neru on 1st June 2014, 11:47 am

Well, pendulum cards are treated as spells in the pendulum zones, so when you know they are going to pendulum summon you could warning.

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Post by Dead PhoenixFX on 1st June 2014, 11:54 am

No, because pendulum summoning is not an effect, it's a summoning system and still even if it was, it wouldn't work because warning only works for 1 monster still, if would if it said "monster(s)" but it doesn't so it can't

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Post by The Kingboo on 1st June 2014, 1:06 pm

Dead you're really about to get smacked in the balls if you don't use your brain.

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Post by Dead PhoenixFX on 1st June 2014, 1:24 pm

I am using my brain, I know how pendulum summoning works, it even says on the wikia website that warning cannot stop a pendulum summon unless it's 1 monster because it's not an effect it's just a summon.

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Post by The Kingboo on 1st June 2014, 1:25 pm

Solemn warning stops negates a special summon. It's no different than cards like Soul charge, Rescue rabbit etc.

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Post by Dead PhoenixFX on 1st June 2014, 1:38 pm

It stops a special summon of a monster not monster(s) so it can't stop a pendulum summon unless it says monster(s) where as bottomless does say monster(s) so it can...you use your brain1

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Post by The Kingboo on 1st June 2014, 1:42 pm

Warning stops the effect of any thing that tries special summon. What are you talking about.

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Post by Dead PhoenixFX on 1st June 2014, 1:45 pm

But pendulum summoning is not an effect, it is a summoning system like synchro and xyz that can only occur once per turn with monster that have levels between the scales, the only reason that the monsters are there is to make a number, the ability to do so exists before they were placed on the field, it's like synchors need a tuner, you can synchro since the duel started but you need a tuner to do it.

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